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炳叔說得對(bluelyindas)

2009/09/21 23:29:13

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回應 bluelyindas (亞當尼斯) 所寫
suspend Renault F1's disqualification [color="#0000FF"]處罰被延遲


應該翻作'暫緩' 處罰比較好

Dr. Lee(jetlee)

2009/09/21 23:34:07

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回應 bluelyindas (亞當尼斯) 所寫
回應 bluelyindas (亞當尼斯) 所寫
suspend Renault F1's disqualification [color="#0000FF"]處罰被延遲


應該翻作'暫緩' 處罰比較好


那真正的意思就是 吊銷雷諾F1參賽權 但緩刑兩年
若這兩年再犯 就完全取消資格

我把disqualification 搞成"參賽資格"
應該要翻成"剝奪資格"

可是這篇 寫的是禁賽兩年耶 (一樣autosport)
Renault given two-year suspended ban

By Jonathan Noble Monday, September 21st 2009, 12:14 GMT

Renault has been handed a two-year suspended ban for its involvement in fixing the result of last year's Singapore Grand Prix, with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds receiving bans from motorsport.

Following a meeting of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, the governing body ruled that the team was guilty of an offence of "unparalleled severity" after causing a deliberate crash in last year's Singapore event.

Although the FIA deemed that the offence was worthy of exclusion from the F1 world championship, it was decided to suspend the ban for two season because Renault admitted to its guilt - and took action against the men involved in the actions – former team principal Briatore and director of engineering Pat Symonds.

A statement from the FIA said that Renault "had accepted, at the earliest practicable opportunity, that it committed the offences with which it was charged and cooperated fully with the FIA's investigation. It had confirmed that Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds were involved in the conspiracy and ensured that they left the team; It apologised unreservedly to the FIA and to the sport for the harm caused by its actions;

"It committed to paying the costs incurred by the FIA in its investigation; and Renault (the parent company, as opposed to Renault F1) committed to making a significant contribution to FIA safety-related projects."

Explaining the decision to impose a two-year suspended ban, the FIA said: "The World Motor Sport Council considers Renault F1's breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity.

"Renault F1's breaches not only compromised the integrity of the sport but also endangered the lives of spectators, officials, other competitors and Nelson Piquet Jr. himself. The World Motor Sport Council considers that offences of this severity merit permanent disqualification from the FIA Formula One World Championship.

"However, having regard to the points in mitigation mentioned above and in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time."

The FIA has also taken tough action against Briatore and Symonds. It has been decided that for an 'unlimited period' the FIA will not sanction any event, championship, cup, trophy, challenge or series involving Briatore in any capacity – or grant any licence to a team or entity that is engaged with Briatore.

The statement added: "It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA's jurisdiction."

Briatore will also not be allowed to manage any drivers in F1, with the FIA stating that it will not renew any Superlicence granted to a driver who is associated with Briatore. At the moment Briatore manages Fernando Alonso, Mark Webber, Heikki Kovalainen, Romain Grosjean in F1.

"In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence."

Symonds faces a similar ban for a period of five years – and will not be allowed at FIA-sanctioned events.

The statement added: "In determining that such instructions should be effective for a period of five years the World Motor Sport Council has had regard: (i) to Mr. Symonds' acceptance that he took part in the conspiracy; and (ii) to his communication to the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council that it was to his "eternal regret and shame" that he participated in the conspiracy."

Piquet himself apologised to the FIA for his involvement in the matter, and receives no punishment after being offered immunity in exchange for providing details about the matter.

The FIA also ruled that Alonso, who testified at the hearing, was not involved in the Renault race-fix matter.

曉雨(m6driver)

2009/09/21 23:38:28

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完全搞不懂....霧洒洒!!!😞

只有交代無期徒刑及5年刑期其他......😰



fakezsnewn(werwen)

2009/09/21 23:45:44

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"However, having regard to the points in mitigation mentioned above and in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time."

看到however就知道有轉圜之餘了。

炳叔說得對(bluelyindas)

2009/09/21 23:47:30

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回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫

那真正的意思就是 吊銷雷諾F1參賽權 但緩刑兩年
若這兩年再犯 就完全取消資格

我把disqualification 搞成"參賽資格"
應該要翻成"剝奪資格"

可是這篇 寫的是禁賽兩年耶 (一樣autosport)
Renault given two-year suspended ban



是 ' suspended ban ' 不是 'ban'


honda ,bmw 都已經退出f1了,Toyota也很危險了

如果再把雷諾趕出去廠隊恐怕就只剩法拉力和邁拉輪了

少了這些大廠的資金投入,F1可能就自尋死路了,所以應該還是會放雷諾一條生路

不過我看或許雷諾還是會離開吧,畢竟雷諾母廠也在這次金融海嘯受創甚深

又爆那麼大的事,臭名滿天下,成績也不好,ING也不贊助了

幹麻留下來呢,走的機會有七成吧


優質男孩(aircanbo)

2009/09/21 23:48:13

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回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫
回應 werwen (werwen) 所寫
回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫
The WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time.


原文 from autosport

WMSC已經決定終止雷諾的F1參賽資格直到2011賽季結束. 而如果雷諾又被發現有類似違反比賽規定的行為 WMSC將完全取消雷諾的參賽權.

哪來的緩刑?
哪來的暫緩實施....😩


Renault 已確定被禁賽到2011年,那在這期間,照理不可能會發生"類似違反比賽規定的行為"吧,他已經沒得比了,怎會發生違反比賽的規定。困惑😵


FIA管的賽事又不止F1
雷諾參加FIA所舉辦的賽事 也不止F1


個人認為應該是"觀察期"。
也就是從去年新加坡站以後到今年義大利站之間有發生類似的違反比賽規定行為就完全取消雷諾的參賽權。
這樣子解釋應該比較通吧?

Dr. Lee(jetlee)

2009/09/21 23:48:21

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回應 m6driver (我兒子也叫Kimi) 所寫
完全搞不懂....霧灑灑!!!😞

只有交代無期徒刑及5年刑期其他......😰



哈哈 對岸F1大新聞站也更正了

依照最新的新聞
雷諾是禁賽終身 緩刑兩年 兩年內不得再犯

所以 到2011年雷諾還是可以參賽
伯尼有參加會議 還是有效的啦

RB 跟williams明年可以繼續用雷諾的引擎

路人甲乙丙(e21322)

2009/09/21 23:48:35

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老布應該不會被永遠除名F1,只要ALONSO退休之後老了選上FIA主席就能特赦他了 哈哈(我電視看太多~)

無不宅(glass)

2009/09/21 23:53:09

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那ALONSO這個新加坡的冠軍會被取消嗎?

如果照證詞所述
老布也太過河拆橋了
既然小皮成功完成任務
ALONSO也順利拿到冠軍
那這是最完美的預謀結局
答應給小皮2009年的合約
幹嘛比到一半給人家換掉
就算小皮成績再爛
也該信守承諾讓他爛到09結束再換不遲
這份合約已經不是用實力去評估了
難怪小皮會不爽
老布應該吃定他
但他可是用性命.用名譽.用尊嚴去換來的合約
這樣季中換人多麼難堪
兩人算是同歸於盡了

炳叔說得對(bluelyindas)

2009/09/21 23:54:19

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回應 aircanbo (優質男孩) 所寫
回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫
回應 werwen (werwen) 所寫
回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫
The WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time.


原文 from autosport

WMSC已經決定終止雷諾的F1參賽資格直到2011賽季結束. 而如果雷諾又被發現有類似違反比賽規定的行為 WMSC將完全取消雷諾的參賽權.

哪來的緩刑?
哪來的暫緩實施....😩


Renault 已確定被禁賽到2011年,那在這期間,照理不可能會發生"類似違反比賽規定的行為"吧,他已經沒得比了,怎會發生違反比賽的規定。困惑😵


FIA管的賽事又不止F1
雷諾參加FIA所舉辦的賽事 也不止F1


個人認為應該是"觀察期"。
也就是從去年新加坡站以後到今年義大利站之間有發生類似的違反比賽規定行為就完全取消雷諾的參賽權。
這樣子解釋應該比較通吧?


不是吧,是從現在起到2011年賽季結束時要是再有類似的行為就會被剝奪f1的參賽權

嗯......(drivenick)

2009/09/21 23:54:58

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回應 e21322 (阿比) 所寫
老布應該不會被永遠除名F1,只要ALONSO退休之後老了選上FIA主席就能特赦他了 哈哈(我電視看太多~)


說到主席 現在連阿布都走了 以前的三巨頭現在只剩下j.tode一個了

好像只有j.tode的下場比較好 還可以選主席😆

fakezsnewn(werwen)

2009/09/21 23:55:21

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回應 jetlee (Jet Lee) 所寫
回應 m6driver (我兒子也叫Kimi) 所寫
完全搞不懂....霧灑灑!!!😞

只有交代無期徒刑及5年刑期其他......😰



哈哈 對岸F1大新聞站也更正了

依照最新的新聞
雷諾是禁賽終身 緩刑兩年 兩年內不得再犯

所以 到2011年雷諾還是可以參賽
伯尼有參加會議 還是有效的啦

RB 跟williams明年可以繼續用雷諾的引擎


那就是一樣輕輕的打個小手心!😆

炳叔說得對(bluelyindas)

2009/09/21 23:57:13

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回應 glass (雞拉屎) 所寫
那ALONSO這個新加坡的冠軍會被取消嗎?



會吧,Rosberg要拿生涯第一個冠冠乎囉😀

小黑遞補成亞軍,還是世界冠軍,純度更高

Massa沒份😆

Dr. Lee(jetlee)

2009/09/22 00:01:13

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回應 bluelyindas (亞當尼斯) 所寫
回應 glass (雞拉屎) 所寫
那ALONSO這個新加坡的冠軍會被取消嗎?



會吧,Rosberg要拿生涯第一個冠冠乎囉😀

小黑遞補成亞軍,還是世界冠軍,純度更高

Massa沒份😆


都說Alonso不會被處分了
你想那個冠軍會被取消嗎?

曉雨(m6driver)

2009/09/22 00:02:10

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回應 bluelyindas (亞當尼斯) 所寫
回應 glass (雞拉屎) 所寫
那ALONSO這個新加坡的冠軍會被取消嗎?



會吧,Rosberg要拿生涯第一個冠冠乎囉😀

小黑遞補成亞軍,還是世界冠軍,純度更高

Massa沒份😆


那個希特勒老莫不是說不會更改結果嗎???

曉雨(m6driver)

2009/09/22 00:04:29

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回應 e21322 (阿比) 所寫
老布應該不會被永遠除名F1,只要ALONSO退休之後老了選上FIA主席就能特赦他了 哈哈(我電視看太多~)


可是這樣要等好多年ㄟ!!老布都幾歲啦!!😰

炳叔說得對(bluelyindas)

2009/09/22 00:13:31

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回應 m6driver (我兒子也叫Kimi) 所寫
回應 e21322 (阿比) 所寫
老布應該不會被永遠除名F1,只要ALONSO退休之後老了選上FIA主席就能特赦他了 哈哈(我電視看太多~)


可是這樣要等好多年ㄟ!!老布都幾歲啦!!😰


fia可不是賽車世界的全部

摩托車世界,美洲賽事都一大堆人捧著錢請他去,畢竟他可是幫車隊拿了四個世界冠軍哩

回雷諾母公司擔任民用部門也未嘗不可

還是回家跟老婆好好享受天倫了,看f1轉播,來ucar喇賽也未嘗不可
😆
拿了那麼多世界冠軍,賺了那麼多錢,也沒啥遺憾的吧

路人甲乙丙(e21322)

2009/09/22 00:17:17

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回應 m6driver (我兒子也叫Kimi) 所寫
回應 e21322 (阿比) 所寫
老布應該不會被永遠除名F1,只要ALONSO退休之後老了選上FIA主席就能特赦他了 哈哈(我電視看太多~)


可是這樣要等好多年ㄟ!!老布都幾歲啦!!😰

我想那時他可能掛了,且老布不是有癌症嗎? 但是他為ALONSO做那麼多,ALONSO這恩情是非還不可的~

口嫌體正直(aen)

2009/09/22 00:19:30

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阿龍嫂也是個不沾鍋😆
高調中的607

VencaSenna(vivasenna)

2009/09/22 00:19:38

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將 Flavio 完全踢出 F1 啊?
個人感覺是 FIA, 特別是 Max Mosley 在報上半年的仇...

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